greg from canada December 19th, 2007

Merry Christmas and happy new year everyone. Its been enjoyable listening to you all on the podcasts and chatting with you on the blog. I am looking forward to what 2008 brings on SBetc.com

Jordo December 20th, 2007

Who cares about the Shanghai Brisbane Education Training Centre. They'll probably still be training education type people in 2008. I can't tell cause their website is in Chinese. Or is Chinish?

Jordo December 20th, 2007

Vote Porter '08

jefe December 20th, 2007

I love how Erik's hope is that everyone on the blogs would move to Florida so we could have "great parties" and "communion".

That's my kinda church!!

Happy Festivus everyone…

jefe December 20th, 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdFZDKGO-A8&feature=related

Here's the YouTube link to Dave's X-Mas song

Chemical Erik December 21st, 2007

Jordo - People in China speak Mandarin. I wish I could speak to oranges.

Mr. Rogers December 21st, 2007

I just ate an orange. It was yummy.

Mr. Rogers December 21st, 2007

You know what this thread needs? The word "nip". There, I said it.

Nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip, nip.

Harry December 21st, 2007

If you were an orange, would you eat yourself? I know I would…

Daniel December 21st, 2007

I'd probably squeeze, then drink myself

dorsey December 21st, 2007

…and wash it down with a tall, cool Budwahser.

Daniel December 21st, 2007

or a Blue Moon… :), after all you put a slice of orange in that…

Daniel December 21st, 2007

Hey Jefe,

We aren't going to have an "airing of grievences" are we?

jefe December 21st, 2007

We're doing that on the homosexual debate… thats another thread

Daniel December 21st, 2007

Well as long as it stays over there…

Chemical Erik December 21st, 2007

Man Law - NO FRUIT IN BEER!
Eat the orange, then wash it down with a cool (not cold) Murphy's Irish Stout. If you're in Colorado, you can get a Fort Collins Chocolate Stout instead.
Ladies - you're welcome to do whatever sweet, fuity, fu-fu things you like with your beer.

Mark December 21st, 2007

Chemical Erik for president.

Chemical Erik December 21st, 2007

I'm accepting campaign contributions and if anyone is willing to let me put a sign in their yard, let me know! I'm also developing a 37 point plan for improving the country, and I'm welcoming input. I'll fix the homeless problem, straighten everything out between the homosexuals and the church, lower taxes, fix social security, and many more wonderful things.

Wait, that's sounds like too much work. I'm dropping out now.

Daniel December 21st, 2007

what about Corona? Have to have the lime in that!!

Jordo December 21st, 2007

"Man Law - NO FRUIT IN BEER!"

I put gummie bears, fruit rollups, and life savers in my beer. Does that count as fruit? I don't do it too often cause it goes straight to my liver and pancreas.

INSULINE REACTION BAD. NO GOOD FOR FRUIT BEER DRINKY.

Christov December 21st, 2007

Nipples are nature's thermometers. Gunga Nuh Gunga.

Charles December 21st, 2007

Man law be damned. I vote for Blue Moon with orange slice.

Mark December 21st, 2007

Daniel, you have reminded me of one of my weaknesses. I, with regret, withdraw my nomination for Chemical Erik's Presidency.

Daniel December 21st, 2007

Well, if chem E gets in office, he can just make a lime a vegetable, then it will all be good…

Chemical Erik December 21st, 2007

Even if I hadn't dropped out of the race, I'd never make lime a vegetable. I would however, put lime on my Pad Thai!

I can't really count Corona as beer. It isn't bad, but just doesn't have that "beer" taste. So go ahead with the lime in the Corona.

Further, the man law comes from a Miller Lite commercial. Miller Lite is a sorry substitute for real beer. If they can't make real beer, they don't get real laws. Charles, you're tastes are a little strange, but I'm not in any position to criticise anyone for strange taste.

Christov - I now have some new thoughts on measuring beer temperature. Thanks.

Anyone know of a good local bitter or red ale in Colorado?

Paul K December 22nd, 2007

Hey, what about a couple green olives in yer ESB? Are olives fruit? Anyway it's damnable good and seems like a very manly thing to do.

Mark December 22nd, 2007

"Miller Lite is a sorry substitute for real beer."

–I'd like to re-submit - Chemical Erik for President.

Chemical Erik December 22nd, 2007

Paul - Do you real put olives in your ESB? I ejoy a good Fuller ESB on occasion, but can't imagine putting an olive in it.

Anyway, I think olives are a condiment, not a real food. So in conlusion, Olive in ESB beats ketchup in Pabst.

jefe December 22nd, 2007

fyi- Corona is not beer. A lime just makes it a Mexican wine-cooler.

jefe December 25th, 2007

I hope everyone here is having an excellent Christmas.

Be safe.

Jordo December 26th, 2007

What about mayonaise in Guinness?

So Corona not tasting like beer is a negative thing? If beer puts hair on your chest, does that mean Corona is good at taking it off? Does the hair on your chest continue to grow after you are dead?

What about mustard in fuzzy nipples–er, navels.

Jordo December 26th, 2007

What's the opposite of a recorder?

Mr. Rogers December 26th, 2007

Anyone ever use a beer bong?

Mr. Rogers December 26th, 2007

"Nip" and Tuck.

Chemical Erik December 26th, 2007

"What about mayonaise in Guinness?"
Dude - what is wrong with you?

"So Corona not tasting like beer is a negative thing? If beer puts hair on your chest, does that mean Corona is good at taking it off? Does the hair on your chest continue to grow after you are dead?"
Corona being different than beer doesn't make it the opposite of beer. The opposite of beer is prune juice. Also when you die we'll see if your chest hair keeps growing.

"What about mustard in fuzzy nipples–er, navels."
The drink is called a slippery nipple, and it does not contain mustard. This is one of a few coctails I've actually enjoyed.

Christov December 26th, 2007

Beer bong? We were too cheap for that as kids. Use a church-key to punch a hole in the bottom of the can. Lean your head back, put your mouth over the hole you punched in the can, and pop the top. Gravity abhors a vacuum.

Mayonnaise is for french-fries.

Tip and nyuck. Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck

Jordo December 27th, 2007

"Mayonnaise is for french-fries."
Yeah if your European! Americans put ketchup, salt, and cancer on their fries.

"What's the opposite of a recorder?"
A rectangle. Ha ha ha!

I just quoted myself. Shouldn't that cause an temporal recursion paradox? Oh, crap, what year is this? I better not post this.

Jordo December 27th, 2007

Oh, crap!

klab December 27th, 2007

"Jordo December 27th, 2007"Mayonnaise is for french-fries."
Yeah if your European! Americans put ketchup, salt, and cancer on their fries."

ok what is cancer on your fries

Christov December 27th, 2007

Whoever heard of putting condiments in beer? They are for food. Yea, they shall not immersed in the earthenware or glassware vessel containing the water and the hops, for that is not proper baptism, not even ritually so. Surely it is an abominable practice that cannot be made perfect.

Charles December 28th, 2007

Cancer?

What the hell?

Does the FDA no anything about this?

Man, this is huge.

Jordo December 28th, 2007

Music is beautiful when it is heard, but transcendant when it is felt.

Enlightenment is very close to insanity; I am familiar with both.

Relativism is the only philosophy that doesn't allow a man to advance beyond himself. He always remains in the same place, relatively.

If you touch the sky, it doesn't touch you back. It looks down and beckons you to reach farther like Sisyphus without the boulder.

Jordo December 28th, 2007

I realize now that time is not an ever branching tree. If you go back and change the past, you inevitably create a temporal wake that extends on into the future for the rest of eternity; two causal paths fighting over the same limited energy. This universe has the brushstrokes of a God who is unconcerned with past mistakes.

Jordo December 28th, 2007

Heh, sorry guys. I was listening to cold play again.

Christov in the Frozen North December 29th, 2007

Time is a completed whole, made of the same stuff as space, and theoretically navigable. The only things that can happen are the things that do happen.

jordo December 30th, 2007

Geometrically, time is an appendix to the familiar three dimensions of space, but that is where similarities end. Time, as we know it, is an artifact of experience. Causality connects through time like a highway connects accross the land. The reason that one part of the highway connects into the next part of the highway (one event causes another) is because it is a highway and that is its nature. That is what it was designed to be. The mind experiences time because it exists partially within the continuum. Without the mind, without experience, time is irrelevant. All points in the continuum exists allong time. Our minds afix our experience to a single moving reference frame. However there is a part of the mind that extends beyond time. It is the seat of our freedom of will, and it marks us with the responsibility for sin that is necessary within the meta-narative. I posit that the reason I am saved is because part of me is already in heaven. That part has experience all of my life and death and is now ("now" is really an unfortunate word but I have no replacement) in paradise. God justified my with the death of His son but my sanctification is the extra-temporal connection with my perfected self.

jordo December 30th, 2007

My freedom and God's sovereignty are one.

Chemical Erik December 30th, 2007

I have a friend who says the following:

"Nothing is impossible, only impassible. And that which is impassible is not impossible to pass".

This friend is a pagan.

Christov in the Frozen North December 30th, 2007

Highway only in that we fall through time/space and it is, to some extent consumed as if by fire as we pass through it, like bag that burns behind the falling of whatever's dropped into it. It may be useful to talk about points and linearity, as long as one remembers such things are metaphorical aids to understanding and do not describe with any exactitude the created thing one is trying to understand or explain - same with the whole "spirit/mind/body" or whatever explanation folks in church come up with for the human being. I recall one unimaginative fellow at seminary trying to prove that time is one of the attributes of God thereby binding God to the function and limits of time. Somewhere scripture talks about the Lamb of God crucified before the foundation of the world, therefore out of time, but also talks about the historic crucifixion event. Additionally, those who are Christ's are described somewhere in Paul's letter to the Ephesians as those who are already seated with Christ at the right hand of God, so yes, already partly in heaven as a multidimensional spiritual/physical being. The writer of Ecclesiastes makes mention of the fact that God has put eternity in our hearts (I think it was hearts), but denying us access to same. Still, it must have some function there, even if we don't have, uh, manual control over it. What is it that keeps us tethered to what we experience as our present?

No, no, not the ankle leash that keeps you from losing the surfboard you got for Christmas when you wipe-out.

Nay, I speak of the temporal bungie cord. But how do it work?

dorsey December 30th, 2007

I dunno, but make sure mine's tied real tight.

Chemical Erik December 31st, 2007

I don't know about this temporal bungie cord, but I do talk about the logic GOD gives us to understand our experience on my blog. While, at least my understanding of what GOD teaches us about understanding our experiences.

Charles December 31st, 2007

Maybe just the Holy Spirit is the cord between. We're firmly here for now, but He brings that dimension to us through His Spirit. When our spirits recognize, respond and cooperate with His, we get that reality and it is beyond the senses. Not exactly revelation but divine perspective….Kingdom. Revelation seems more propositional than this. Probably what helps a martyr deal with his or her present situation….speaking of which….

As for time…fun to think about but I gave up expectations about it since I am stuck in it and rely on it to think about it. I have no idea about time here and there. In fact, with the gift of eternal, I am not sure it really matters, beyond the current moment. Thinking of the Lord's Supper….fusing past, and future with the moment….He does that….also thinking about Matthew 6 about worrying for tomorrow….and maybe I just focus on the immediate present with confidence in Him about past and future (more of that perspective thing)….enabling me to pay attention right now. I usually don't, but that's the goal.

NOTE: Written while sober and no affiliation with Zen and Motorcycle Maintenance.

ninjanun December 31st, 2007

Hey, I just listened to the show, and was surprised that you mentioned me there at the end, and then *really* surprised (eyebrows raised in shock and alarm) that you guys thought I was mad at you!

No way, man!

I am not mad at you. I stated my opinion on the "War is for Nahouls" comment thread, and that was the end of it for me. I'm sorry if I made you think I was perpetually mad at you. That only happens when I keep things inside and let them grow into a bitter tree .

I've been listening to the podcast since, I've just not had an opportunity to call in since the time frame for the show changed and my school schedule changed. And I've been five different kinds of busy this month. I hardly got any sleep the entire WEEK of finals.

But enough about me. I still think you guys are awesome. When you're just being yourselves, discussing whatever topic comes to mind and making little jokes that friends make, you *sparkle.* And even tho' I'm not able to call in often, or even comment on here very often, I'm still there, listening to the podcast (not live, obviously), and basking in the reflected glow of your friendship and conviviality. This last podcast of the glow was particularly good; you guys at your best!

I love you guys!

Oh, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

ninjanun December 31st, 2007

Errgh. that next-to-next-last comment didn't make sense; I rephrase:

This last podcast of the year was particularly good; you guys were at your best.

Okay, now hopefully it will make sense.

Also: the sentence regarding "that only happens when I keep things inside and let them grow into a bitter tree" was a William Blake reference, which I meant to make into a faux-html tag (ala the Dorsey Bros.™ ) but then air-headedly made into a *real* html tag.

ninjanun December 31st, 2007

William Blake Reference

Paul K January 1st, 2008

Chem Erik,

"Paul - Do you real put olives in your ESB? I ejoy a good Fuller ESB on occasion, but can't imagine putting an olive in it."

Not "olives" an olive. It's not like I'm recommending a mouthful per brew. Just one will do. I know it sounds gross but it has something to do with keeping the foam down or something like that. All I know is that a friend of mine turned me on to it and I have to admit I liked it. To me it doesn't seem as gross as putting tomato juice in beer.

As for all the talk of time…
I see all of existence as simply existing in the now. All eternity is now. Outside of time as we measure it there is only existence. Time, as related to the material world, is the measurement of corruption. Time as related to the spiritual is the measurement of life. Life is always forward moving, desire lead, progressive. Life is movement. It is only the totally stagnant life, the life that no longer lives, that fails to exist in time. When God says "I AM" He speaks of an existence not outside of time but existing throughout all time…as we measure it. "I Am the beginning and the end." Suggests to me His very life is the embodiment of time. Eternal
life, as I understand it, is not simply a quality of life it is a description of life.

Wow! I just spit that out. I think I thunk deep. I think. Anyway, it makes me want to really live, irrespective of metaphysical insight or lack thereof.

Christov in the Frozen North January 2nd, 2008

I don't think God is really "teaching" anything about science or logic in scripture, which doesn't mean that scripture "knows" nothing about science or logic. I do think we're more or less free to extrapolate what we can or to follow up those propositional or factual threads we find of interest.

Admittedly, basing that follow up and reasoning upon our broken ability to perceive from within a broken but still mostly working creation as damaged parts of that broken creation, we're gonna get some funky results.

However, those results a lot of the time are good enough to create flawed but somewhat workable models, constructs, artifacts, whatever. My guess is that even numbers, or our ability to make eternally useful sense with them, are/is pretty messed up, too. Good enough for government work and church-growth theoreticians.

William Blake made some really interesting illustrations to the book of Job.

Chemical Erik January 2nd, 2008

Christov - I think you're right about the teaching of logic in scripture from the point that the logic isn't the primary teaching. However, when GOD uses logical reasoning with men, we can learn from what logic is used. If we apply the logic learned from studying how GOD reasons with us, we get what I believe is the best logic system we are capable of using.

Of course, GOD only uses reasoning with men a small percentage of the time (likely because we're so unreasonable most of the time).

Mark January 4th, 2008

Good times…

jordo January 5th, 2008

"All your base are belong to us."

Ok, popculture legend, but I have two very important questions.

Freebase? Can I have some? :-D :'(

jordo January 5th, 2008

Other towers of babelfish:

"All your base are belong to us."
> Chinese > English > French > German > English >
"you possess your basis belonged too ours"

"Its the end of the world as we know it."
> Spanish > French > German > English >
"the poop is in the kitchen."

"Ow, I sprained my jimmies!"
> Spanish > English > French > English > Russian > English >
"Vote Porter '08"

Wayne January 8th, 2008

"Wookie army, baby!"

English>Spanish =
"ejército del wookie, bebé"

English>Spanish>French =
"armée du wookie, boit"

English>Spanish>French>Dutch =
"het leger van wookie, drinkt"

English>Spanish>French>Dutch>English =
"the army of wookie, drinks"

Mark January 8th, 2008

"the army of wookie, drinks"

When the army of wookie drinks, do they put fruit in their beverage?

Jordo January 9th, 2008

I AM REBORN!

I was sick for four days, and now I'm better. I CAN BREATH, BABY!

So, no show?

Erik January 9th, 2008

Welcome to the land of the living. Show's up bisque!

Chemical Erik January 9th, 2008

English->French:
Ont révélé le bisque !

Jordo January 9th, 2008

French->English:
Vote Porter '08

Wayne January 9th, 2008

Show's up bisque!

English > German =
Zeigten oben Fischcremesuppe!

English > German > French =
Montrer en haut une soupe de crème de poisson !

English > German > French > Greek =
να εμφανίστε στο κάλυμμα μια σούπα της κρέμας του ψαριού !

English > German > French > Greek > English =
Present in the cover a soup of custard of fish!