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Racism in the Church – John H. Armstrong on SBE

Erik Guzman April 18th, 2008

Wright in Marine Corp boot camp graduation photo, 1961.When Rev. Jeremiah Wright said, "God bless America? No! God damn America," how do we hear his words? John Armstrong stops by Steve Brown Etc. this week to talk about it. Use one of the options at the bottom of this post to listen.

Dr. Armstrong has taken heat for his stance on the issue and for writing things like…

"Racism can be variously understood and thus most of us who are white are convinced that we are not racists at all. But racism is more than personal prejudice. It is social prejudice joined with power. And it is systemic."

Join us as we discuss racism in the Church with John Armstrong, founder and president of ACT 3, a ministry for the advancement of the Christian Tradition in the third millennium. He is a former pastor and church-planter, of more than twenty years, the author/editor of eight books, and the author of hundreds of magazine, journal, and Web based articles.

Also, a big thanks to Bill Mallonee for providing music for the show. Bill will be playing Taste near Orlando on April 26 at 8 PM. I'll see you there!

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7 Responses to “Racism in the Church – John H. Armstrong on SBE”

KC April 21st, 2008

I'm so grateful that you have the freedom and courage to address this subject of race relations (or lack thereof) in America. As a black man it is refreshing to hear white men having this discussion that black folks have every day. I'll be sure to tell my friends that there are at least two old white guys (Brown & Armstrong) that get it.

Thomas Ortiz April 29th, 2008

I've been listening to this show for about a year and some change and it's helped me deal with my own self righteousness and to deal with people in a way that attempts to be more accepting of others, even if they don't share the same opinion as me or for that matter, denomination. And I don't have to feel overly guilty if I don't respond in a Christlike fashion, I just admit my guilt, say sorry and move on. That being said Eric why can't White people just admit that there not experts on the Black historical experience and admit that they need to try to understand there culture, history and on a deep level try to UNDERSTAND them? If we are supposed to love our enemies how much more are we supposed to love our Black brothers and sisters? I get the impression that Steve played the devils advocate (at least I hope so) and voiced the sentiments of White Christians when dialoguing with Armstrong, and if you ask me the overarching tone is "GET OVER IT AND AND FORGIVE US ALREADY!" And you know what, that's a bad witness to the world who sometimes take there cues from Christians when it comes to dealing with people who are different or are a few levels down on the social strata. It's very arrogant stance to take if you ask me. I'm Puerto Rican so I can identify on a certain level with Blacks. Do you think it makes me feel joyous and forgiving when I look at Puerto Rico and see that all the resources are sucked out of the country and some old white dude in Kansas somewhere is reaping the rewards of his "industriousness"? And then White Christians have the nerve to tell us it's a figment of our imagination, that it's our corrupt, incompetent leaders who cause all of our problems and that they have to go down there to save us from ourselves! That's why America is in the state she's in , because Christians don't have the moral courage it takes to speak truth to power! And please don't say " If it weren't for us white Christians Blacks would still be slaves and the Puerto Ricans would still be barefoot barbarians in the mountains!" We would have been ok without Christians trying to make good white Christians out of us believe me. By the way Eric Mr. Armstrong was well informed and his sincerity came across as very authentic. And tell Steve that the show awesome!! Thatnk's for letting me air out and God bless you guys!!

Erik April 30th, 2008

God bless you too Thomas. Thanks for your comments on the site. You asked…

Eric why can't White people just admit that there not experts on the Black historical experience and admit that they need to try to understand there culture, history and on a deep level try to UNDERSTAND them?

If this hasn't been done, please let me be the first. I'm no expert on the black historical experience and I need to try to understand their culture and history. I'm not being snarky. Seriously…I don't know jack about the issue except what I see and hear in the media. That's sad. I'm not proud of that.

On the program, I too think Armstrong had some good things to say and I appreciate the perspective.

Take care bro. Thanks again for your take on things.

Andie September 18th, 2008

I've unfortuantely been dealing with the issue of racism in the church and as a black Canadian, it's very hurtful. You would think that Christians would know better, certainly Jesus taught that if we hate our brother, we hate him.

It's very subtle in our church. No one would believe me but a handful of others who are reluctant to say it as it is. Unfortunately the majority of the racism is within some of the spouses of some of the ministry leaders!!! How do you pray for that??

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Thomas November 6th, 2008

Oh man, I can't wait to hear the show this saturday so I can get a feel for how Christians down south are reacting to Obama winning the election! Are they planning another civil war down there? lol!

J Lo May 6th, 2009

What about white Pastors who lead mostly black or hispanic churches and yet live high on the hog when their people are on welfare and struggling? They have million dollar homes and take care of thier families very well yet seem to not want to live in the same neighborhoods where black people live. Just look at Randy White and Paula of Church without Walls. Hypocrites, they take blacks money that pay for thier homes but don't want to live in their nieghborhoods. There is a pastor in detriot who started a church in a black neighboorhood. He is Italian. He moved into a porno theater and turned it into a church. He bought a house in the neighborhood that is one of Detriots worst and lives their with his wife and children. He said if God called me to minister to these people, then I must be able to live among these people. THAT is not the case with most White Pastors who pastor inner city churches..

That is simply Hypocrisy.

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