Comments on: The Big Lie: American Forces Are Leaving Iraq http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/ This blog needs a description! Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:26:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Andre from Brazil. http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-49917 Andre from Brazil. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:00:27 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-49917 Looking from a foreign point of view, what strikes me the most is that USA has moved from a fancy/desirable way-of-living ideal for most of the western nations (although not necessarily good, but at least it was nice) to an image of arrogant and hostile. It´s comon sense (if I can say so) that USA is seen as a eager nation, brutally nationalist. I am ok with a country like that. What I don´t get is a whole Christian comunity not making any distinction between a earthly nation (which implies in different interests) and a faith/humanitarian nation. Christians are supposed to see their nationality (or a second-nationality) from a humanitarian point of view. If in Brazil, Cingapore, Eritreia or in the USA, as Christians they are the same nation, though born in different places over Earth. Also, this 'Christian nation', should base it´s 'forein policy' in terms of help, rescue and evangelism. However, we sometimes (I included) adopt our first-born natinal interest as ours, and with justice (but no grace) in it. Besides, everytime I read an American argue against the wars, it´s always the national budget or the American soldiers life. That´s not about the other nation´s death soldiers or the other nation´s economy... it´s just carnificin. Looking from a foreign point of view, what strikes me the most is that USA has moved from a fancy/desirable way-of-living ideal for most of the western nations (although not necessarily good, but at least it was nice) to an image of arrogant and hostile. It´s comon sense (if I can say so) that USA is seen as a eager nation, brutally nationalist. I am ok with a country like that. What I don´t get is a whole Christian comunity not making any distinction between a earthly nation (which implies in different interests) and a faith/humanitarian nation. Christians are supposed to see their nationality (or a second-nationality) from a humanitarian point of view. If in Brazil, Cingapore, Eritreia or in the USA, as Christians they are the same nation, though born in different places over Earth. Also, this 'Christian nation', should base it´s 'forein policy' in terms of help, rescue and evangelism. However, we sometimes (I included) adopt our first-born natinal interest as ours, and with justice (but no grace) in it. Besides, everytime I read an American argue against the wars, it´s always the national budget or the American soldiers life. That´s not about the other nation´s death soldiers or the other nation´s economy… it´s just carnificin.

]]> By: Jared http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-24391 Jared Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:50:37 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-24391 Or even better than news at CNN and Fox you can read books! They actually do research when trying to present "facts." I just got done reading Fiasco, which was pretty good. Many of our mistakes are behind us; it's just up to the country to see whether they want to descend into sectarian fighting/a civil war. The average time it takes to fight a counterinsurgency is 9 years. So be prepared for the long haul. The typical target of an insurgency a la Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, and the current one in Iraq is that they know how to attack the nation's will to fight (e.g. make enough people die that the citizens back home call for a withdrawal). That's what happened in Vietnam and is what the insurgents are hoping will happen in Iraq. The battle is a test of wills, and the prize is the citizens of Iraq. Or even better than news at CNN and Fox you can read books! They actually do research when trying to present "facts." I just got done reading Fiasco, which was pretty good. Many of our mistakes are behind us; it's just up to the country to see whether they want to descend into sectarian fighting/a civil war. The average time it takes to fight a counterinsurgency is 9 years. So be prepared for the long haul. The typical target of an insurgency a la Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, and the current one in Iraq is that they know how to attack the nation's will to fight (e.g. make enough people die that the citizens back home call for a withdrawal). That's what happened in Vietnam and is what the insurgents are hoping will happen in Iraq. The battle is a test of wills, and the prize is the citizens of Iraq.

]]> By: Daniel http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-21952 Daniel Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:27:08 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-21952 War unfortunatley drives our economy and military/industrial complex... Besides, even God Himself commanded war once in a while... War unfortunatley drives our economy and military/industrial complex…

Besides, even God Himself commanded war once in a while…

]]> By: russ allen http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-21948 russ allen Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:50:18 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-21948 Most responses are well thought out, coherent rehtoric but we need to look at the big picture and accept a few things. War is awfull! War is costly in lives and equipment. War is dirty. War is sometimes necessary. Was Iraq our enemy? Directly in an invasion sense, no. Remember they trained and harbored Osama's training camps, they threatened Israel's stability, gee whiz they already use terrible weapons on the Iranians. We could debate forever the whole Sadam thing but we do know he was ruthless with his own people. His sons actions are prime examples. As a former military member let me assure you, lots took place that the public will not ever know, of course in our lifetime. You can bet we will be there the rest of our lives. As a stability force like Germany and Japan. Remember what happened after WW1 when we packed up and left? WW2 was the result. The best thing we can do is learn the issues,CNN and Fox so you get both slants, check out your local congressman and womans websites and don't forget to vote. Our voice is heard when we vote and write our representatives. Compile all the info you can and make informed descisions. In this media full society we need to be wise and alert to junk and inuendo. Famous doesn't mean wise. Search the scriptures for wisdom, not a verse to justify what you want to believe or do. God loves us and gave us the guide book for life. Pray constantly! A"Lord please" works wonders, sometimes that's all that comes out. Most responses are well thought out, coherent rehtoric but we need to look at the big picture and accept a few things. War is awfull! War is costly in lives and equipment. War is dirty. War is sometimes necessary. Was Iraq our enemy? Directly in an invasion sense, no. Remember they trained and harbored Osama's training camps, they threatened Israel's stability, gee whiz they already use terrible weapons on the Iranians. We could debate forever the whole Sadam thing but we do know he was ruthless with his own people. His sons actions are prime examples. As a former military member let me assure you, lots took place that the public will not ever know, of course in our lifetime. You can bet we will be there the rest of our lives. As a stability force like Germany and Japan. Remember what happened after WW1 when we packed up and left? WW2 was the result. The best thing we can do is learn the issues,CNN and Fox so you get both slants, check out your local congressman and womans websites and don't forget to vote. Our voice is heard when we vote and write our representatives. Compile all the info you can and make informed descisions. In this media full society we need to be wise and alert to junk and inuendo. Famous doesn't mean wise. Search the scriptures for wisdom, not a verse to justify what you want to believe or do. God loves us and gave us the guide book for life. Pray constantly! A"Lord please" works wonders, sometimes that's all that comes out.

]]> By: George McFly http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-19323 George McFly Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:40:48 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-19323 I wrote a rap about this: Iraq gets too much flak Much worse than smoking crack And between you and me, I think that's WHACKED Yo DJ, bring in that beat! I wrote a rap about this:

Iraq gets too much flak
Much worse than smoking crack
And between you and me,
I think that's WHACKED

Yo DJ, bring in that beat!

]]> By: Mark http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-18755 Mark Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:38:31 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-18755 How was Iraq our enemy? i completely agree that some things are worth fighting for, I'm just not convinced that those things were present in this case. How was Iraq our enemy? i completely agree that some things are worth fighting for, I'm just not convinced that those things were present in this case.

]]> By: Ron Baker http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-18748 Ron Baker Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:18:10 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-18748 I think the majority of you need to read a history book or two. If you had any kind of accurate view of the history of this country, or the way war has been a part of society throughout history this action would not shock you so. It is true that most have no view of history beyond the scope of their adult life, and that is evident in the replies of most of you. War is not good, but some things are worth fighting for, and we can't look into the face of this enemy and run away. Grow up kids. Peace. Ron B PS don't give me the 'war for oil' garbage. That's just ignorance. Show me the oil we've taken. Show me even 1 barrel that was used for anything other than by our troops to cut the cost of the war. Give it a rest, conspiracy nuts. I think the majority of you need to read a history book or two. If you had any kind of accurate view of the history of this country, or the way war has been a part of society throughout history this action would not shock you so. It is true that most have no view of history beyond the scope of their adult life, and that is evident in the replies of most of you. War is not good, but some things are worth fighting for, and we can't look into the face of this enemy and run away. Grow up kids.
Peace.
Ron B

PS don't give me the 'war for oil' garbage. That's just ignorance. Show me the oil we've taken. Show me even 1 barrel that was used for anything other than by our troops to cut the cost of the war. Give it a rest, conspiracy nuts.

]]> By: jefe http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15865 jefe Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:15:47 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15865 <b>From the original post:</b> <i>It certainly doesn't sound like we're planning to be out of Iraq anytime soon, does it? Despite the rhetoric in Washington, we seem to be settling in for the long haul as an occupying force. Many believe the U.S. government's real intent is to make a permanent American footprint in the heart of the oil-rich region. And the facts seem to support this idea.</i> Man! This is soooooo true! We want Iraq to be a new Virgin Island-- not a state, but still under our thumb, so we can get a cut when oil reaches $200 a barrel... I'm not a Bush-hater. But I'll never, for the life of me, understand how Jesus-following, new-testament Xn's can get so excited about the concept of war... geez! From the original post:
It certainly doesn't sound like we're planning to be out of Iraq anytime soon, does it? Despite the rhetoric in Washington, we seem to be settling in for the long haul as an occupying force. Many believe the U.S. government's real intent is to make a permanent American footprint in the heart of the oil-rich region. And the facts seem to support this idea.

Man! This is soooooo true! We want Iraq to be a new Virgin Island– not a state, but still under our thumb, so we can get a cut when oil reaches $200 a barrel…

I'm not a Bush-hater. But I'll never, for the life of me, understand how Jesus-following, new-testament Xn's can get so excited about the concept of war… geez!

]]> By: jefe http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15864 jefe Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:08:31 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15864 [dumb]<i>And yet, the Bible still tells us that it was God who put Pharoh in power.</i>[/dumb] Yeah. And after the 10th plague, we can see just how excited God was that Israel should submit to Pharoah's government [/sarcasm] [false doctrine]<i>And yet, Paul still told them that they were to submit and show respect to the authority God had placed over them.</i>[/false doctrine] Where exactly did he say this?? [dumb]And yet, the Bible still tells us that it was God who put Pharoh in power.[/dumb]
Yeah. And after the 10th plague, we can see just how excited God was that Israel should submit to Pharoah's government [/sarcasm]

[false doctrine]And yet, Paul still told them that they were to submit and show respect to the authority God had placed over them.[/false doctrine]

Where exactly did he say this??

]]> By: dorsey http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15862 dorsey Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:02:59 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15862 Your literalism is making my head hurt almost as much as your broken html (use instead of [ ] and it should work). If we did that, then we would all still live in monarchies. If we lived in blind submission to governmental authority, there would be no America, the Tsars would still rule Russia, and you'd be Roman Catholic. Your literalism is making my head hurt almost as much as your broken html (use instead of [ ] and it should work).

If we did that, then we would all still live in monarchies. If we lived in blind submission to governmental authority, there would be no America, the Tsars would still rule Russia, and you'd be Roman Catholic.

]]> By: mikemck http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15765 mikemck Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:28:02 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15765 [quote]What about Saddam's government? or Stalin's? or Hitler's?[/quote] What about them? Do you really think that Pharoh was any better? And yet, the Bible still tells us that it was God who put Pharoh in power. Do you really think that the Christians in the church at Rome thought that the Roman government was morally acceptable? After all, they were extremely barbaric toward those they considered their enemies, including Christians. And yet, Paul still told them that they were to submit and show respect to the authority God had placed over them. [quote]What about Saddam's government? or Stalin's? or Hitler's?[/quote]

What about them? Do you really think that Pharoh was any better? And yet, the Bible still tells us that it was God who put Pharoh in power.

Do you really think that the Christians in the church at Rome thought that the Roman government was morally acceptable?

After all, they were extremely barbaric toward those they considered their enemies, including Christians.

And yet, Paul still told them that they were to submit and show respect to the authority God had placed over them.

]]> By: dorsey http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15755 dorsey Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:50:10 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-15755 <i>"The Bible does say, however, that God established just governments to act on His behalf, and that we're to submit to their authority. That includes defending it, if need be. Here comes the name calling."</i> What about Saddam's government? or Stalin's? or Hitler's? Poopypants. "The Bible does say, however, that God established just governments to act on His behalf, and that we're to submit to their authority.

That includes defending it, if need be.

Here comes the name calling."

What about Saddam's government? or Stalin's? or Hitler's?

Poopypants.

]]> By: MikeMcK http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-12368 MikeMcK Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:51:56 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-12368 God hasn't had a "chosen country" since Old Covenant Israel. The Bible does say, however, that God established just governments to act on His behalf, and that we're to submit to their authority. That includes defending it, if need be. Here comes the name calling. God hasn't had a "chosen country" since Old Covenant Israel.

The Bible does say, however, that God established just governments to act on His behalf, and that we're to submit to their authority.

That includes defending it, if need be.

Here comes the name calling.

]]> By: Vicki Kinion http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-12339 Vicki Kinion Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:15:08 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-12339 Somebody should talk to the soldiers that are over there fighting this battle. Doesn't the bible say to defend God's chosen country? Somebody should talk to the soldiers that are over there fighting this battle. Doesn't the bible say to defend God's chosen country?

]]> By: markofando http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-6523 markofando Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:38:44 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-guest-room/the-big-lie-american-forces-are-leaving-iraq/#comment-6523 Want to start your private office arms race right now? I just got my own USB rocket launcher :-) Awsome thing. Plug into your computer and you got a remote controlled office missile launcher with 360 degrees horizontal and 45 degree vertival rotation with a range of more than 6 meters - which gives you a coverage of 113 square meters round your workplace. You can get the gadget here: http://tinyurl.com/2qul3c Check out the video they have on the page. Cheers Marko Fando Want to start your private office arms race right now?

I just got my own USB rocket launcher :-) Awsome thing.

Plug into your computer and you got a remote controlled office missile launcher with 360 degrees horizontal and 45 degree vertival rotation with a range of more than 6 meters - which gives you a coverage of 113 square meters round your workplace.
You can get the gadget here: http://tinyurl.com/2qul3c

Check out the video they have on the page.

Cheers

Marko Fando

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