Comments on: Smoking http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/ This blog needs a description! Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:34:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Love_Alabama http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-47855 Love_Alabama Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:04:58 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-47855 It is funny how I am so cultrally influenced. I totally see the pipe as an option and maybe even cigars...but cigarettes? I guess there's no difference but wow...I'm not sure I can give in. SO you are safe as long as you stick with a pipe (which is really just more trouble and more expensive) but pick up the fowl smelling cancer stick and we've got a problem. I know I am being judgemental but hey if you can hang on to smoking I can hang on to being the church lady...but I am a guy...uh-oh...I really need help. It is funny how I am so cultrally influenced. I totally see the pipe as an option and maybe even cigars…but cigarettes?

I guess there's no difference but wow…I'm not sure I can give in. SO you are safe as long as you stick with a pipe (which is really just more trouble and more expensive) but pick up the fowl smelling cancer stick and we've got a problem.

I know I am being judgemental but hey if you can hang on to smoking I can hang on to being the church lady…but I am a guy…uh-oh…I really need help.

]]> By: richard cofer http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-47439 richard cofer Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:25:32 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-47439 jesus saved me from paganism, sin and my self, but you saved me from christians (okay that was christ too). when i got saved i went to the lake lit up and thought about the tobacco fields, the rain, the rollers, all the things it took to make the maduro in my hand and i got into a pentecostal worship fit. i even started sharing, which was not like me and felt god was working on me. then they got there hands on me, my brothers. it wasn't just smoke, it turned out it was country music (singing about hard work and family and god... and getting drunk too), the way i prayed and every thing. i almost quit church. but i didnt. if u come around lake wales ARP church, come 2 my fav. cigar shop jesus saved me from paganism, sin and my self, but you saved me from christians (okay that was christ too). when i got saved i went to the lake lit up and thought about the tobacco fields, the rain, the rollers, all the things it took to make the maduro in my hand and i got into a pentecostal worship fit. i even started sharing, which was not like me and felt god was working on me. then they got there hands on me, my brothers. it wasn't just smoke, it turned out it was country music (singing about hard work and family and god… and getting drunk too), the way i prayed and every thing. i almost quit church. but i didnt. if u come around lake wales ARP church, come 2 my fav. cigar shop

]]> By: Keith http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-45968 Keith Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:14:26 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-45968 First, Steve I love listening to your show on keylife via the net. Second, as mentioned by others smoking isnt a sin, no more than eating junk food or watching to much TV. But it is bad for ones health and for others around you. Im not condemning any one for smoking, I TOO smoke and wish I didnt. And as others have mentioned, we as Christians are suppose to be an example to others. If someone see's me smoking, most likely they want even care what I have to say, which might be about the Grace with have in Jesus. Keep up the great work Steve. God Bless! First, Steve I love listening to your show on keylife via the net.

Second, as mentioned by others smoking isnt a sin, no more than eating junk food or watching to much TV. But it is bad for ones health and for others around you. Im not condemning any one for smoking, I TOO smoke and wish I didnt. And as others have mentioned, we as Christians are suppose to be an example to others. If someone see's me smoking, most likely they want even care what I have to say, which might be about the Grace with have in Jesus.

Keep up the great work Steve. God Bless!

]]> By: Allen http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25804 Allen Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:14:30 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25804 Brian- Hahahah. :) Thanks for the laugh, Brother! (lol) Although, I'll ask you to kindly spare the Methane just now... I had enough this past weekend from my pals. ;) Grace and peace to you and yours- Allen Brian-

Hahahah. :) Thanks for the laugh, Brother! (lol)

Although, I'll ask you to kindly spare the Methane just now… I had enough this past weekend from my pals. ;)

Grace and peace to you and yours- Allen

]]> By: Mmike http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25542 Mmike Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:58:50 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25542 I've been thinking lately about the song Amazing Grace...the first part of Vs. 2....Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear, and Grace my fears relieved...and I thought about that...it was Grace that taught my heart to fear...and I thought about it, and it kinda made me shiver...because it WAS Grace that taught my heart to fear...to fear the awesomeness of a infinitely powerful and terrible God that has the power to forgive sin...and forgives mine...and it made me shiver, and relieved my fears. His mercy endures forever. I've been thinking lately about the song Amazing Grace…the first part of Vs. 2….Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear, and Grace my fears relieved…and I thought about that…it was Grace that taught my heart to fear…and I thought about it, and it kinda made me shiver…because it WAS Grace that taught my heart to fear…to fear the awesomeness of a infinitely powerful and terrible God that has the power to forgive sin…and forgives mine…and it made me shiver, and relieved my fears. His mercy endures forever.

]]> By: Brian http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25455 Brian Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:00:46 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25455 "One would think an addiction would say: "Let's have one now!!!", eh? [I actually didn't have one on the day I mentioned above that I would- it's very easy to say in camraderie: "I'll join you." But in fact I didn't that evening.]" So then Allen....you deceived me into thinking you really were gonna have that smoke??.... afterall, you promised!! You promised you'd smoke and you didn't. You lied to us all, and must now repent for not smoking when you said you would. : ))) I'm justht methane with ya! "One would think an addiction would say: "Let's have one now!!!", eh? [I actually didn't have one on the day I mentioned above that I would- it's very easy to say in camraderie: "I'll join you." But in fact I didn't that evening.]"

So then Allen….you deceived me into thinking you really were gonna have that smoke??…. afterall, you promised!! You promised you'd smoke and you didn't. You lied to us all, and must now repent for not smoking when you said you would. : )))

I'm justht methane with ya!

]]> By: Allen http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25319 Allen Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:09:10 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25319 A small addendum- there's something else to smoking that is addictive. I highly doubt it's the nicotine. Nicotine replacement therapies are well known to be ineffective. It's definitely not an addiction when you don't do it for well over a week and can't even think when you last smoked a pipe, or if you even want one today. I think perhaps not. Perhaps tomorrow- who knows. :) One would think an addiction would say: "Let's have one now!!!", eh? [I actually didn't have one on the day I mentioned above that I would- it's very easy to say in camraderie: "I'll join you." But in fact I didn't that evening.] Now, cigarettes may be addictive, but a Pipe has never been for me, nor any other form of nicotine, but I haven't smoked cigarettes (well known pH tampering and nicotine infusion), so I can't discuss those. This leads me to believe it's not the nicotine. But, let's not drudge up yet another argument. C.S. Lewis was well known to have said to his American Lady, that he strongly suggests one not to take up smoking. A small addendum- there's something else to smoking that is addictive. I highly doubt it's the nicotine. Nicotine replacement therapies are well known to be ineffective. It's definitely not an addiction when you don't do it for well over a week and can't even think when you last smoked a pipe, or if you even want one today. I think perhaps not. Perhaps tomorrow- who knows. :) One would think an addiction would say: "Let's have one now!!!", eh? [I actually didn't have one on the day I mentioned above that I would- it's very easy to say in camraderie: "I'll join you." But in fact I didn't that evening.]

Now, cigarettes may be addictive, but a Pipe has never been for me, nor any other form of nicotine, but I haven't smoked cigarettes (well known pH tampering and nicotine infusion), so I can't discuss those. This leads me to believe it's not the nicotine. But, let's not drudge up yet another argument.

C.S. Lewis was well known to have said to his American Lady, that he strongly suggests one not to take up smoking.

]]> By: Allen http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25308 Allen Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:16:42 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25308 Oh but it has created a change in me. God no longer sees me for who I am in life, he sees me for who Jesus is in me. I can go confidently before his throne. :) That is a true gift. Without Christ, I would never make it to the throne ante-room even. Or the servant's entrance where the trash is taken out. That is the true gift. And if we're talking about the temple, there are so many other things that I need to attend to, not just smoking. ;) Whether I eat healthy or not, is also equally as dangerous. Even if I slightly over eat, or slightly under-eat, these can all be considered to be disrespect. If I breath noxious car-fumes that can cause cancer, this is also disrespect to the temple God has given me... or spend too much time in the sun... there are so many many things. Perhaps I need someone to turn a light-switch on for me on the Sabbath?... -Allen Oh but it has created a change in me. God no longer sees me for who I am in life, he sees me for who Jesus is in me. I can go confidently before his throne. :) That is a true gift. Without Christ, I would never make it to the throne ante-room even. Or the servant's entrance where the trash is taken out. That is the true gift.

And if we're talking about the temple, there are so many other things that I need to attend to, not just smoking. ;) Whether I eat healthy or not, is also equally as dangerous. Even if I slightly over eat, or slightly under-eat, these can all be considered to be disrespect. If I breath noxious car-fumes that can cause cancer, this is also disrespect to the temple God has given me… or spend too much time in the sun… there are so many many things. Perhaps I need someone to turn a light-switch on for me on the Sabbath?…

-Allen

]]> By: Brian http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25278 Brian Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:20:41 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25278 Whatever does not effect a change in you....couldn't possibly be all that dangerous. Grace is only dangerous when it actually creates great changes in your life!! Whatever does not effect a change in you….couldn't possibly be all that dangerous. Grace is only dangerous when it actually creates great changes in your life!!

]]> By: Brian http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25277 Brian Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:54:51 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25277 You must be on some good snuff there Allen!! : )) Well while your'e waiting for an act of God to make changes in your life, consider that the grace you were already given contains the power to make an effectual changes with regard to all sin in your life....and you should be struggling just like every other believer. Where does original sin say that all sin (ie in this case "smoking") cannot be avoided?? The reason you smoke is that you enjoy your addiction more than you do to obey the living Christ who's grace has already provided you the ability to quit. You give up a struggle b/c you don't believe God's Grace can enable you to change this....so perhaps you never will. Those who deny their destruction of the temple of the H.S. (ie the body) will continue to focus on the pleasure it brings them, just as an alcoholic needs his vice. Anything to which you could not do without than to survive....is an idol. There is hope for anyone who actually desires to put up a fight over time....over any sin...any addiction....there is always hope....over time....it can be defeated and overcome by the exact same Grace which forgives, and empowers true repentance. One's lack of desire to struggle with sin is a clear example of one's lack of faith in a particular area. It's "in the way" of your sanctification if you're not wresting with it. If God's Grace is only good for Justification (and not sanctification as you are clearly suggesting here)....then you are clearly embracing a synthetic grace without the power to cause an effectual change within you. Do you believe this about all sin??? Just b/c Steve says it's ok....does that make it ok?? Just b/c he's resigned the struggle vs it, does that mean you should too?? Isn't your body the temple of the Holy Spirit?? Wouldn't you rather enjoy "real freedom" from your idol rather than rely on just the forgiveness from it?? Just for the record.....Someday.....you will realize that Steve is just making you feel better about your sin. Stubborn selfish pride is what keeps so many from what they really could be enjoying in the newness of Christ!! I'll let you get back to your vices.....alas....since Steve says it's ok!! Just having fun with you snuffers!! Sin is dangerous snuff!! : ))) You must be on some good snuff there Allen!! : )) Well while your'e waiting for an act of God to make changes in your life, consider that the grace you were already given contains the power to make an effectual changes with regard to all sin in your life….and you should be struggling just like every other believer.

Where does original sin say that all sin (ie in this case "smoking") cannot be avoided?? The reason you smoke is that you enjoy your addiction more than you do to obey the living Christ who's grace has already provided you the ability to quit. You give up a struggle b/c you don't believe God's Grace can enable you to change this….so perhaps you never will. Those who deny their destruction of the temple of the H.S. (ie the body) will continue to focus on the pleasure it brings them, just as an alcoholic needs his vice. Anything to which you could not do without than to survive….is an idol. There is hope for anyone who actually desires to put up a fight over time….over any sin…any addiction….there is always hope….over time….it can be defeated and overcome by the exact same Grace which forgives, and empowers true repentance. One's lack of desire to struggle with sin is a clear example of one's lack of faith in a particular area. It's "in the way" of your sanctification if you're not wresting with it. If God's Grace is only good for Justification (and not sanctification as you are clearly suggesting here)….then you are clearly embracing a synthetic grace without the power to cause an effectual change within you. Do you believe this about all sin???

Just b/c Steve says it's ok….does that make it ok?? Just b/c he's resigned the struggle vs it, does that mean you should too?? Isn't your body the temple of the Holy Spirit?? Wouldn't you rather enjoy "real freedom" from your idol rather than rely on just the forgiveness from it??

Just for the record…..Someday…..you will realize that Steve is just making you feel better about your sin. Stubborn selfish pride is what keeps so many from what they really could be enjoying in the newness of Christ!! I'll let you get back to your vices…..alas….since Steve says it's ok!!

Just having fun with you snuffers!!

Sin is dangerous snuff!! : )))

]]> By: Allen http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25237 Allen Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:57:14 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-25237 The Christian who sins because others sin is in for a world of hurt. This world is full of sins, and there's no possible way we can avoid them (original sin says in fact we can't avoid them). We can surely try however (knowing we will fail), and by the Grace and Goodness of God and the Holy Spirit we will eventually cast them aside. Even our Faith is from God. (You realize this means I don't even have to try and have faith! - it's from Him, given as a gift to me!) Brian- I'm sure that Steve will be happy to send another free sin coupon to you. I think I have some spares lying around here... there's one... oh goodie, I can have a pipe tonight. ;) Just for the record, I was a pipe smoker well before I even knew Steve Brown existed. Of course if you're a physicist you may believe he didn't exist before I heard of him, but I suspect that's likely wrong. Or, perhaps the pipe-smoking particles are anti-particles, moving backwards in time causing me to smoke because in the future Steve would tell me it's ok... ;) Just having fun. ;) Grace is dangerous stuff, -Allen The Christian who sins because others sin is in for a world of hurt. This world is full of sins, and there's no possible way we can avoid them (original sin says in fact we can't avoid them). We can surely try however (knowing we will fail), and by the Grace and Goodness of God and the Holy Spirit we will eventually cast them aside. Even our Faith is from God. (You realize this means I don't even have to try and have faith! - it's from Him, given as a gift to me!)

Brian- I'm sure that Steve will be happy to send another free sin coupon to you. I think I have some spares lying around here… there's one… oh goodie, I can have a pipe tonight. ;)

Just for the record, I was a pipe smoker well before I even knew Steve Brown existed. Of course if you're a physicist you may believe he didn't exist before I heard of him, but I suspect that's likely wrong. Or, perhaps the pipe-smoking particles are anti-particles, moving backwards in time causing me to smoke because in the future Steve would tell me it's ok… ;)

Just having fun. ;)

Grace is dangerous stuff,
-Allen

]]> By: Brian http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24796 Brian Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:49:14 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24796 Great Job Steve!! Where grace abounds, so does the sin!! Yeah baby, can I borrow your wife tonight? We'd like to get stoned!!! : ))) Let it abound all the more!!!! Great Job Steve!!
Where grace abounds, so does the sin!! Yeah baby, can I borrow your wife tonight? We'd like to get stoned!!!

: ))) Let it abound all the more!!!!

]]> By: Allen http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24684 Allen Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:11:56 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24684 Wow, those lengthy discussions made me smoke my pipe!! :) hahahah Steve, pass the tobacco, Brother, I'll join you. I'll cash in my free sin coupon, -Allen Wow, those lengthy discussions made me smoke my pipe!! :) hahahah

Steve, pass the tobacco, Brother, I'll join you. I'll cash in my free sin coupon,
-Allen

]]> By: Bonnie http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24627 Bonnie Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:12:09 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24627 By the way, my Grandmother lived to be 82, I believe, and my Mother was 84 when she died. By the way, my Grandmother lived to be 82, I believe, and my Mother was 84 when she died.

]]> By: Bonnie http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24624 Bonnie Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:04:38 +0000 http://stevebrownetc.com/blogs/the-old-white-guy-blog/smoking/#comment-24624 I remember thinking one day, "If I didn't smoke, I would be perfect." Now isn't that a shame! I smoke in the privacy of my own home. I am reminded everytime I pick up a cigarette, that I am NOT perfect, I am NOTHING but a sinner saved by GRACE! Back when I was a young girl, my Grandmother smoked her old stone pipe (in the privacy of her home) and thought nothing of it! She was one of the ones who led me to Christ. My own Mother used snuff. I never saw anything wrong in that, but I did see their testimony in the lives they both lived, and I praise God for placing me in their lives. For my Mother and my Grandmother led me to Christ, and if others had not labeled smoking a "sin," I would not have known that it ever was. I remember thinking one day, "If I didn't smoke, I would be perfect." Now isn't that a shame! I smoke in the privacy of my own home. I am reminded everytime I pick up a cigarette, that I am NOT perfect, I am NOTHING but a sinner saved by GRACE! Back when I was a young girl, my Grandmother smoked her old stone pipe (in the privacy of her home) and thought nothing of it! She was one of the ones who led me to Christ. My own Mother used snuff. I never saw anything wrong in that, but I did see their testimony in the lives they both lived, and I praise God for placing me in their lives. For my Mother and my Grandmother led me to Christ, and if others had not labeled smoking a "sin," I would not have known that it ever was.

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