Comments on: Voting for Satan

By: The work and the glory

The work and the glory — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:30:05 +0000

Mormons believe that authentic Christianity vanished a century after Jesus and was restored only through Joseph Smith. Considered a prophet by Mormons, Smith revised— and in his view corrected— large sections of the Bible in the 19th century. The Mormon scriptures include the Old and New Testaments, but also include books containing Smith's revelations.

By: doyle

doyle — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:34:55 +0000

Right on, Brother Breedlove!

Saving the economy does no good if we have lost our (collective-national) soul by killing the MOST innocent of God's creation.

Being the most powerful nation in the world (or even universe) is pitiful compared to the condemnation the murderers of innocents will receive (unless they put that sin under His blood also).

Exchanging the traditional meaning of love to describe the modern practice of fornication does nothing to improve our lives, the world, or bring us closer to Him.

May the Lord forgive the USA!

By: John Breedlove

John Breedlove — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:14:26 +0000

Hmmm.
Brilliant, Doyle! Thats reality.
I must respond vehemently to last May '07 blog of Senior Jefe, I have a retort/rebuke. Brother(if you are one), I dont know if you're versed in Scripture about the beauty and value of children, but Jesus never spoke about abortion b/c it was so far removed from that cultures thinking, that it was unthinkable.(He highly valued kids-Mark 10:14) –Get out of this 21st century mindset and get with ousting Roe v. Wade any way possible. Its unconstitutional, unholy, unChrist-ian, and unreal. It IS a moral position, NOT a "political maneuver". -hacked off brother in Denton TX. Vote for…?

By: doyle

doyle — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:31:58 +0000

Let's see:
McCain a war hero who wants to take away political speech (or at least limit it), or, Huckabee, a preacher who wants to take away personal freedom (or at least limit it).
McCain a war hero who has held a political seat of power for almost as long as I have been alive and has nothing that I know of to improve America, or, Huckabee, a preacher who wants to hold a political seat of power to force free people to conform to his idea of behavior (personal and environmental fascism) instead of preaching God's Word.
And, neither one will stop government funded murder of innocent babies.
Take your pick and throw the dice,
because either way it won't be nice.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:06:04 +0000

I think I'll vote for Huckabee, I think McCain is a
Democrat in Republicans clothing. He's in
denial.

By: Uri Brito

Uri Brito — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:52:14 +0000

Steve, your point would be correct, except that God's Word gives us qualifications for office (pastoral and civil duties). It does not give us qualifications for mechanics or doctors. Mechanics only legislate morality to your car and doctors only legislate morality to your body. Hence, the best of the two is preferable–Christian or not, though a good Christian mechanic and good doctor is always preferable; don't forget that Christian doctors hold to a standard of Christian ethic, whereas an unbelieving doctor may hold to such standard, but is not bound to hold to it under his god-less worldview. This is simple Van Tillianism 101.

By: Tina

Tina — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:26:08 +0000

to quote" Tim May 17th, 2007senor jefe has it right: abortion is a non-issue. Because honestly, if the supreme court overturns roe vs. wade today it would not do anything to actually stop abortions from happening. How many things have flourished because of their banned status (drugs, prostitution, etc.)? Abortion would be no different. And that is the problem - we say we want a real end to abortion - then it's time to face the facts that no amount of laws or force will end it."

As I was thinking about this comment… maybe the law won't effect how many try to get the "procedure" nee abortion done, But as a taxpayer… I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY for it!!!! ( or shouldn't have to anyway.) That is my bottom line. I cannot stop anyone from getting one.. but I don't have/want to pay for it!!

::back to your regular programming:::

By: doyle

doyle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:05:07 +0000

to linda marie:
The real issue is not "how can anyone be a Christian and a democrat/liberal", it is how can anyone support a party that implicitly if not explicitly, maintains: 1) abortion on demand; 2) immoral sexual relationships; etc.
And that's just the Republican party…
Or at least that is what the "onion smells like after you peel off the outer layers". And, don't get me started on the Democrat party.
I used to say "I'm no Democrat or Republican. I vote for The King of Kings." While I still do pledge my allegiance to Him. I now understand my position in His family and while He is still King of Kings, I don't have to vote for Him because I am part of His Body and I represent Him and His Kingdom in this world (ambassador).
As far as "babies going to heaven", Armenian theology claims they do if they die before (the un-Biblical concept) of age of accountability. Calvinists usually try to match that with "God is Love, so no innocent is doomed", but the Bible teaches that all have sinned and, without Yeshua, are bound for hell. However, God has His Elect, those that HE CHOSE from the foundation of creation. Some may be pre-born (assuredly) and some are like me, old and worthless to the world. Salvation is of the LORD and the LORD alone. That way pre-born can be saved. Mentally challenged people can be saved. Perverts can be saved. A criminal hanging on a cross, moments from death, can be saved instantaneously and for eternity.
Praise God from whom all blessings flow because only He can make people whole.

By: linda marie

linda marie — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:41:36 +0000

And the death penalty ???

At least I think we can be pretty sure the babies are going to heaven — then again, with predestination and all, maybe they're not.

BTW — I am still a republican, but from the attitudes I hear like "how can anyone be a christian and a democrat/libertal", I'm almost inclined to change.

Seems someone else I know cares about "the little guy", too…

linda marie

By: doyle

doyle — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:44:18 +0000

In regard to abortion:
"Essentially, Clinton stated that the issue of abortion only comes up during election years– when it has the greatest political benefit to the right."
If the impeached former President was talking about politically, then of course it only comes up in election years because that is the only time when politicians can appeal to the electorate to vote for people who "say" they are against/for it. What they actually do in office may or may not demonstrate their election rhetoric. You have to hand it to the majority of Democrats, they fight to kill babies every time the opportunity arises. Republicans are just as guilty in some cases complicit, in some implicit through neglect.
However, no Christian will be able to stand in front of the Righteous Yeshua and be able to justify their works, if their works contributed to murdering the most helpless among us.
Economically, abortion has destroyed over 40 million potential productive human beings. Unless these potential tax payers, Social Security contributors, etc. are replaced (Mexican illiegals?) then, the socialism of the USA will collapse from the weight of its aging population.
God, in His Eternal Wisdom, and (in my opinion) sarcastic judgment, has used the economic prosperity of the USA to lull it into a trap of its own device. May the Lord forgive us all and may the Holy Spirit regenerate sufficient numbers of the population to avoid complete destruction. But, if He judges as He outlined in the Bible (…it would be better if he were thrown in the sea with a millstone around his neck…) then we as a nation are surely doomed!

By: bruce

bruce — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:45:54 +0000

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
can satan actualy be a clinton and Romney and any other presidential canadate ? so when the mud flinging is all said and done who will be left standing?
not I. even the blind guy in the cornner got down to escape

By: Charles

Charles — Tue, 29 May 2007 20:18:35 +0000

I know this is probably going too far…..but maybe voting for anybody, including Bill Keller, is voting for Satan….blue devils and red devils.

I consider myself a recovering Satanist, with the far too occasional relapse.

By: señor jefe

señor jefe — Fri, 25 May 2007 02:42:48 +0000

Everything is a moral position. Political positions are moral positions. Any position where an â€˜ought' or a 'should' is brought into the discussion, it is moral.

In a church, this is correct. In the political arena, I'm not so sure.

Many Christians use abortion as a litmus test for their candidates. That is simply wrong, because as Steve said, it's not the only issue.

I guess I'd be interested to see the results of Christians who, instead of simply attempting to elect people who will legislate morality for them, will instead, focus that same energy on educating the public with a peacable, non-self-righteous tone.

Personally, I hope you're right, Steve. I hope the cultural mindset does change. But for now, I believe Tony Campolo explained it best when he spoke of his conversation with Bill Clinton regarding the issue. Essentially, Clinton stated that the issue of abortion only comes up during election years– when it has the greatest political benefit to the right.

By: Steve Brown

Steve Brown — Thu, 24 May 2007 19:44:42 +0000

Some good comments.

Senor Jefe, the only issue isn't abortion. But killing babies is rather important.

No BC : it isn't a fuzzy analogy. In fact, it is a good one if the issue is competency and that was the point I was making.

Does theology affect competency? Maybe and maybe not. It certainly would if your belief system included smoking weed or the curse of work. But that isn't where Mormons are coming from.

Does theology affect direction? Yeah, it can. If one's theology is big on child sacrifice, a call to Armageddon, anti-Semitism or maintaining racial purity of course it would.

While the theology of Mormonism bothers me, I find that it is relatively benign or, better, produces some core social, economic and political values that are not dissimilar to my own. So the issue to me is competency.

I'm not a Mitt supporter and I may or may not vote for him. But that decision probably won't have anything to do with his theology.

What really bothers me about him is that he is too perfect. Frankly, I would like to see him drunk and check out what he says then. But then, Mormons don't drink:. so we'll never know.

Tim, loved what you said about abortion and, being quite cynical, sort of agree. I certainly agree that laws don't change people's hearts.

However: Because the laws against murder haven't stopped murder we should have no laws respecting murder. Right? Or in fact, if a law is broken â€“ any law â€“ we should take it off the books. Right?

Law has several functions and one of them is revelatory, to wit, our laws (even if they aren't enforced) reflect what we as a nation think is right or wrong. Laws change to reflect a cultural decision on a lot of issues and abortion is one of them. If hearts do change (and there is some indication that Americans are rethinking that issue) the laws will change and Roe v. Wade will be overturned. That probably won't stop abortion but will reflect an important shift in our culture and that shift will lower the abortion rate.

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:51:56 +0000

good point on the democrat pro choice thing, that is one reason I wonder how so many people can say that they are Christians and Democrats or Liberals. I know this is discussed here a lot and we are supposed to ok with that and just be friends as Steve says and i'm ok with being friends, I just still wonder how it is possible the reconcile the two. any ideas? could maybe one of the "go to libs" explain that one day on one of these blogs that would be cool, I can't be the only one wondering?