Charles November 12th, 2007

Liked Rick's interview. Keep in mind the following comes from a politically conservative, SBC former seminary student with 36 hours under the belt…

I think Rick, Imago Dei, Rob Bell and his ministry are Spirit-driven and a breath of fresh air. God knows we need something to strip off all the paint and shelac from the old pues so we can see the original grain again. The Evangelical Protestant Church has bought into traditions, just as did the Church it rebelled so much against 100's of years ago…and it crept up on us just as it did the Catholics. And disdaining the comfortably familiar is a sure fire way to get a target painted on your backside. When we get home, we can ask Luther about that.

I was driving home today and saw a red brick baptist church with a sign that read "How would you like eternity? Smoking or non-smoking?" God help us. We are soooooo out of step with reality and I am supportive of folks like McKinley, Miller and Bell for helping us become relavent without being condemning.

I am grateful for you guys because you are bringing these folks on your show and discussing these issues where it is almost impossible to find those discussions elsewhere.

MikeMcK November 13th, 2007

Do you mean Rob Bell, the emergent church whacko?

MikeMcK November 13th, 2007

[quote]I was driving home today and saw a red brick baptist church with a sign that read "How would you like eternity? Smoking or non-smoking?" God help us.[/quote]

While I disagree with reducing God's word to bumper sticker phrases, "smoking or non-smoking" are the only two choices we're left with.

I guess I'd have to pick somebody who's at least trying to preach the Gospel to the lose, even if they are going about it in such a goofy way, over somebody who tells people that they can sin without answering to God for it.

Charles November 13th, 2007

Being a wacko is mandatory for being one of His. The only qualification for being a Christian is not being qualified to be one.

I think the reason these guys are popping up all over is because they, like me and many others, read the Bible and hear the sermons and notice a disconnect. The sermons we hear are about Sin Management and we wonder how in the world did this ever get called "Good News"?

"Hey, I got good news for ya brother! You're misguided and sinful and if you aren't very very VERY careful, you'll disappoint God immensly. Praise the Lord!"

We already understand that we are not qualified. We're ready to hear the good things He has for us. We got that other message down very well now….thanks.

MikeMcK November 13th, 2007

[quote]I think the reason these guys are popping up all over is because they, like me and many others, read the Bible and hear the sermons and notice a disconnect The sermons we hear are about Sin Management and we wonder how in the world did this ever get called "Good News"?[/quote]

So they drop the Gospel and stop holding to sound doctrine?

Charles November 13th, 2007

You don't 'hold' sound doctrine. You encounter it. You hold ball bats, joy sticks and contempt.

Sound doctrine isn't what saved me. Jesus did. If it was sound doctrine, then all I would have to do is get the doctrine down and I wouldn't need Him that much anymore.

Then I'd be able to get past the salvation thing and focus on managing other people's sin and error.

Charles November 13th, 2007

…the really important things.

MikeMcK November 13th, 2007

[quote]You don't 'hold' sound doctrine. You encounter it. You hold ball bats, joy sticks and contempt.[/quote]

If you don't hold to sound doctrine, then that explains a lot.

[quote]Sound doctrine isn't what saved me. Jesus did.[/quote]

The Bible says in 2 John that if you don't hold to sound doctrine, you're not saved.

[quote]If it was sound doctrine, then all I would have to do is get the doctrine down and I wouldn't need Him that much anymore.[/quote]

If you're not holding to sound doctrine, then how do you know that the "Him" you say you need is the right "Him"?

[quote]Then I'd be able to get past the salvation thing and focus on managing other people's sin and error.[/quote]

Better to straighen out your own heresy first.

Mark November 14th, 2007

Sometimes the best way to deal with a troll is to stop feeding it altogether. Then it will have to look elsewhere for food.

George November 14th, 2007

Mike,

It sounds like your saying Jesus doesn't save you. Keeping doctrine does. ???

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

[quote]Sometimes the best way to deal with a troll is to stop feeding it altogether. Then it will have to look elsewhere for food.[/quote]

I agree. That's why I'm ignoring him.

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

[quote]It sounds like your saying Jesus doesn't save you. Keeping doctrine does. ???[/quote]

No, Eric, that's not even remotely what I said.

We are saved by Christ's atonement on the cross, on our behalf, when we repent of our sins and place our faith in Christ.

However, the passage of scripture I've already cited for you says that if we do not hold to sound doctrine, then we are not saved because the doctrine we hold determines which Jesus we're trusting in.

You may now feel free to twist what I've said.

George November 14th, 2007

Mike,

I'm not Erik.

George November 14th, 2007

Mike,

I honestly don't understand you. I asked a clarifying question and you turn it into an opportunity to be self righteous.

I honestly don't feel you are here to dialog, seek to learn from other believers and share what God is teaching you. Just to dogmatically put forth your stance.

If I'm wrong I beg your forgiveness, but I see no point in attempting to discuss anything with you.

God bless.

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

OK, Eric.

I tried to talk to you. Instead, you chose to twist what I said and claim that I said we're saved by sound doctrine and not by Christ's atonement.

If that's the game you want to play, then just forget it. When decide you you want to have a sincere dialogue, let me know.

Erik November 14th, 2007

It's quite easy to tell the difference between me and George. I'm the more spiritual one.

On a different subject, while it seems impossible to have an actual conversation with you MikeMcK, you're certainly great for the comment count.

Hey, that gives me a great idea.

Since you've asked me not to email you to ask your forgiveness anymore, would you consider co-hosting my podcast with me next Tuesday at 4 ET?

Seriously, it would be great to have you on. I could plead for your forgiveness and after you show us what a great Christian you are by forgiving me, we could talk about whatever you'd like…you could set the agenda. It'll be glorious!

Let me know. I'm being frank here…not George. Get it? Frank? Please consider it. And please forgive me (for your own sake).

Mathew 6:14-15

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Charles November 14th, 2007

That's a great idea!

I'll make the popcorn.

George November 14th, 2007

MIKE,

I AM NOT ERIK! Do you even read what you are replying to?

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

Yes, George, I read your post, including the part where you chose to twist my words.

I called you Eric because you're playing the same childish games he is.

greg from canada November 14th, 2007

George, save your breath. This troll will twist your words and call you names. But when you do the same to him he complains like a baby. Who is the child!

Erik November 14th, 2007

George,

Since MikeMcK won't talk to me, will you please ask him to co-host [ping] with me next week on Tuesday at 4 ET?

Charles November 14th, 2007

Joh 15:12 "This is my commandment: that you love one another as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 No one shows greater love than when he lays down his life for his friends.

2Jo 1:9 Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ but goes beyond it does not have God. The person who abides in the teaching of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your home or even greet him,

The only thing we have not obeyed is verse 10. And I guess the reason I don't is because that refers to someone coming in authority to teach Christ and this is an open forum, rather than a classroom. In any case, I know He forgives me if I am wrong about it.

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

[quote]George, save your breath. This troll will twist your words and call you names. But when you do the same to him he complains like a baby. Who is the child![/quote]

When have I twisted anybody's words? Who did I call names?

George November 14th, 2007

Mike,

"George November 14th, 2007

Mike,

It sounds like your saying Jesus doesn't save you. Keeping doctrine does. ???"

How is that twisting your words? I was asking for clarification.

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

Because you know very well that I didn't say that "Jesus doesn't save you. Keeping doctrine does".

Erik November 14th, 2007

Peoples attitudes and actions speak louder than their words.

So how bout it MikeMcK, you want to be an Internet star don't you.? You seem to like the attention. Why don't you come on [ping] next week? You can take callers and everything.

George November 14th, 2007

[quote]Sound doctrine isn't what saved me. Jesus did.[/quote]

The Bible says in 2 John that if you don't hold to sound doctrine, you're not saved.

[quote]If it was sound doctrine, then all I would have to do is get the doctrine down and I wouldn't need Him that much anymore.[/quote]

If you're not holding to sound doctrine, then how do you know that the "Him" you say you need is the right "Him"?[/quote]

Forgive me for asking for clarification.

[quote]MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

Because you know very well that I didn't say that "Jesus doesn't save you. Keeping doctrine does".[/quote]

Oh, so you know my "motivations" and "what I'm really up to?"

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

No, George, to say "I don't understand what you mean. Could you please explain?" is a "clarifying question".

Saying "you said so and so" is not a clarifying question. It is putting words in someone's mouth.

But then, you already knew that, didn't you?

George November 14th, 2007

Mike,

My hats off to you. You are a master at word manipulation.

Erik November 14th, 2007

I'm a master debater.

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

[quote]My hats off to you. You are a master at word manipulation.[/quote]

OK. Since you were unable to tell me what words I've twisted or who I've called names, perhaps you can back this one up: how have I manipulated your words?

greg from canada November 14th, 2007

[Quote] OK. Since you were unable to tell me what words I've twisted or who I've called names, perhaps you can back this one up: how have I manipulated your words?[quote]

Some of us have jobs and cant be on this site all day like some of us. Lets see, on this page alone you called someone a wacko, childish, disrepected George, disrespected Erik by purposely and constantly spelling his name worng. If you want me to go on I will have to go on through the archives and find many many examples.

There are also many occasions through the last couple weeks where you twist peoples words.

But the worst thing is your tone and attitude. You come onto a ministry's site. Bash them, call Steve names, call guests names, act like a pompus twit and dont expect anything back? And when you do all these things you cant admit that you did? I may have called you names and Im not sure about twisting your words but I admit that I did. But I was following the tone you set when you came in with your guns blazing. Im not sure if this makes you feel like a big man, or you seek attention. But dont act as if you are all innocent and we are all wronging you!! Grow up Mike!! It is a 2 way street brother….

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

Some of us have jobs and cant be on this site all day like some of us. Lets see, on this page alone you called someone a wacko, childish, disrepected George, disrespected Erik by purposely and constantly spelling his name worng. If you want me to go on I will have to go on through the archives and find many many examples.[/quote]

1. He is a whacko.

2. Eric and George are being childish.

3. It isn't my fault that he spells his name in a non-traditional way.

[quote]There are also many occasions through the last couple weeks where you twist peoples words. [/quote]

"Many occasions", and yet, you're not able to list even one?

[quote]But the worst thing is your tone and attitude. You come onto a ministry's site. Bash them[/quote]

In all fairness, when a representative of that ministry writes me obscene emails to harrass me and call me names, I believe they're no longer an innocent party.

[quote]act like a pompus twit[/quote]

And I'll bet you don't think there's anything wrong with calling somebody a "pompous twit".

[quote]But I was following the tone you set when you came in with your guns blazing.[/quote]

Remind me one more time what I said to you that provoked you so.

[quote]Im not sure if this makes you feel like a big man, or you seek attention. But dont act as if you are all innocent and we are all wronging you!! Grow up Mike!! It is a 2 way street brother….[/quote]

If it's a two way street, then why are you upset that I act that way to you, when you've all acted this way toward me?

Don't you think it's just a little odd that I post on three other message boards and have always gotten along very well with everyone but then, when I come here, there are four people who choose to jump all over me and call me names?

If this were happening elsewhere, then the problem might be with me. However, this is something that is specific to the four of you.

I never said anything out of line to George. In fact, if you go back and look at the order of the posts, I didn't address him at all. He took it upon himself to come after me with no provocation.

Same with Eric. I didn't say anything to him. He chose to come after me.

Linda Marie has literally followed me to threads for the sole purpose of attacking me.

And, as for you, I sincerely don't recall saying anything to you to provoke you to this nonsense.

Funny, I get along just fine with the folks over on BaptistBoard (to the point that two of them have even stayed at my home!). I get along just fine with the folks over at WXPN.com. Same at Bibleforums.com.

But here, I come in and express a different point of view and you all come out with your fangs bared.

Sorry, but the way you've all treated me, I don't really want to hear anything from you about "the love of Christ", or you calling me "brother", or Eric's phony appeals for forgiveness.

Erik November 14th, 2007

I have been and am completely 100% sincere in my appeal for your forgiveness…and in my desire for you to co-host [ping] with me next week. Come on, it will be fun.

Daniel November 14th, 2007

I'll co-host!

Erik November 14th, 2007

I'm trying to do everything I can to live peaceably with all men. I'm even offering my show as a platform for MikeMcK's comments as a gesture of my good will, sincere apology, and request for forgiveness.

I see this as a real crucial point for MikeMcK. If he refuses to forgive me and continues to choose to believe that I'm not sincere, according to Holy Scripture, he's actually showing himself to be full of spite, thereby negating any claim he's made regarding taking the Bible seriously and being orthodox.

Mathew 6:14-15

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

I'm not saying that I'm above reproach, just the opposite. I'm admitting that I behaved like an ass. I've asked God to forgive me (and He did). I've prayed for MikeMcK with sincere love in my heart for him as a brother (multiple times). And I've emailed Mike personally wishing him well and asking him to forgive me, only to have him tell me not to contact him any longer.

If MikeMcK won't forgive, anything he says about how unbiblical Steve or our guests are is irrelevant. His words and fruit show that he is not speaking from a biblical perspective. Even so, he should be respected because he's made in the image of God, but his words should not be imbued with credibility as long as he refuses to forgive.

Then again, he could forgive and show himself to be a sincere brother and not merely a troublemaker on our site. Then we could all be friends and have some fun.

What do you say MikeMcK? Will you forgive me and co-host on Tuesday?

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

You're still an ass.

You can't ask forgiveness and then keep on doing the thing you're supposedly asking forgiveness for.

Stop with the name calling, the snotty comments, and the harrassment and then, maybe we'll talk.

Erik November 14th, 2007

If I don't say anything to any of your posts on this site until Tuesday, will you come on the show? Will my silence prove my sincerity?
All I'm interested in doing is talking to you and expressing my sincere apology.

That's not harassment. It's doing everything I can to live peaceably with all men. I'm honoring your request for me not to email you anymore, so I have to talk to you here in the comments.

Christov November 14th, 2007

Which one of you guys is Dennis Weaver, and which one of you's the tanker truck?

Mark November 14th, 2007

Please watch this and tell me if you can see the application to the present stiuation.

Just Don't Look:

Mark November 14th, 2007

OK, the tag didn't work. Just cut and paste this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BiRerXYNVY

Christov November 14th, 2007

Paul Anka's guarantee isn't valid in Tennessee Poor Ned Flanders.

Charles November 14th, 2007

Wait….did Eric say he was a master debator?

George November 15th, 2007

Mike McK

[quote]Here is the first post I ever read from you. What was my impression from this post?

MikeMcK October 30th, 2007

I believe that we should love Tony Campolo and Joel Osteen, but is it really loving to turn a blind eye at their sin and their heresy?

In the Bible (you do remember the Bible, don't you, Steve?), we're told that if we support false teachers, then God will consider us "partakers with them in their evil deeds".

And yet, you want us to welcome these wolves in with open arms.

Steve, you claim to love Tony Campolo. When was the last time you pleaded with him to repent and put his faith in Christ alone and His atonement on the cross alone, for his salvation?

When was the last time you wept over the countless people who are going to Hell because Joel Osteen withheld the Biblical Gospel from them, preferring, instead, to teach the Gospel of "me-ism"?

Do you plead with sinners to repent before they stand before God to face His wrath? Or do you encourage them to further incur His wrath by offering them "three free sins"?

As offensive as it may be to your emergent chuch sensibilities, the church is for the body of Christ, not the unsaved. It is for those who hold to sound Biblical doctrine, not false teachers.

Those false teachers who refuse to repent should be run out of the church on a rail.

And those who are living a lifestyle of sin should be counseled and given a chance to repent. If they don't, then they need to be put out of the church, not only for their own good, but so that their lifestyle of disobedience does not cause weaker brothers and sisters to stumble.[quote]

To me (that's just me), that sounded pretty accusatory, self righteous and condescending.

Only God judges the heart yet you appear to cast judgment on those who do not fit your mold.

I acknowledge I don't know everything and can possibly be wrong in my view.

You state over and over that you have done nothing wrong, have done no name calling. Well, this post proves you wrong in those assertions.

I don't see an attitude of wanting to share and help others see where they are wrong and open to having your view changed by God if you might be wrong too.

Erik is right. You and he are the same.

My apologies to everyone who reads these posts. Let's be brothers i the Lord and discuss our different views with love and understanding.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't believe it is an example of Christs love to call people wolves and judge their salvation. That puts us in the place of God.

George November 15th, 2007

Galatians 5:5-6 "But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007

[quote]To me (that's just me), that sounded pretty accusatory, self righteous and condescending. [/quote]

I didn't say anything that the Bible doesn't say.

[quote]Only God judges the heart yet you appear to cast judgment on those who do not fit your mold.[/quote]

The Bible tells us to beware of false teachers.

[quote]You state over and over that you have done nothing wrong, have done no name calling. Well, this post proves you wrong in those assertions.[/quote]

OK. Who did I call what?

[quote]I don't see an attitude of wanting to share and help others see where they are wrong and open to having your view changed by God if you might be wrong too.[/quote]

No, I was just sharing my opinion about what the Bible says about false teachers. I wasn't out to change the world.

If you believe that you can show me from scripture where I'm wrong, please feel free.

[quote]Erik is right. You and he are the same.[/quote]

Not even close.

[quote]My apologies to everyone who reads these posts. Let's be brothers i the Lord and discuss our different views with love and understanding.[/quote]

Except when it comes to me. Then, my views don't merit "love and understanding". They just deserve name calling and false accusations, right?

[quote]Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't believe it is an example of Christs love to call people wolves…[/quote]

Mt 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ac 20:29 - For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Here, I guess Jesus and Paul don't have Christ's love. Ironic that Christ doesn't even have "Christ's love", in your opinion, isn't it?

[quote]and judge their salvation. That puts us in the place of God.[/quote]

And who's salvation did I judge?

Erik November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK,

That's good stuff MikeMcK. You should definitely co-host [ping] with me next week. Come on, what are you afraid of?

George November 15th, 2007

[quote]I didn't say anything that the Bible doesn't say.[/quote]

It's not what you say, but how you say it. "but is it really loving to turn a blind eye at their sin and their heresy?" Hmmm, to me that seems a bit condescending and accusatory.

[quote]The Bible tells us to beware of false teachers.[/quote]

Beware. Not insult, accuse, name call, nor condescend to.

[/quote]
[quote]Erik is right. You and he are the same.
Not even close.[/quote]

You're opinion and my opinion.

[quote]OK. Who did I call what?[/quote]

MikeMcK November 14th, 2007
You're still an ass.

[quote]Except when it comes to me.[/quote]

Persecution complex?

[quote]Then, my views don't merit "love and understanding". [/quote]

[quote]Even though you might not believe it, I asked a sincere question of you. Your reply was less than loving.

[quote]MikeMcK November 14th, 2007

Yes, George, I read your post, including the part where you chose to twist my words.

I called you Eric because you're playing the same childish games he is.[/quote]

I said "It sounded like…." You chose to feel I was twisting your words. I just wanted clarification.

So by calling me Eric you were making a derogatory statement about my actions and or character?

[quote]If you believe that you can show me from scripture where I'm wrong, please feel free.[/quote]

Galations 5:13-15 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

[quote]Mt 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[/quote]

"BEWARE" not go out and name call and point fingers.

[quote]And who's salvation did I judge?[/quote]

[quote]Steve, you claim to love Tony Campolo. When was the last time you pleaded with him to repent and put his faith in Christ[/quote]

Sounds like your saying Tony Campolo has not placed his trust in Christ.

Enough of these name calling games and accusing people of not serving Christ. Let's discuss and not accuse anyone of heresy or question their love for Christ.

Mike, I do believe you love the Lord and sincerely desire to do what is right before him. I have no question about that. So do a lot of other people on this board.

Can you at least acknowledge that many people here are your brothers and sisters in Christ and you offer them your love and prayers that they will grow and prosper in Christ Jesus just as I acknowledge and offer you the same?

Erik November 15th, 2007

And I'll ask again, please forgive me. If you don't believe I'm sincere, let me offer a scripture for you to consider…

1 Corinthians 13:7 [Love] bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Show me some biblical love…some unconditional, undeserved, godly love and dare to hope and believe that I'm sincere. Then come on the show and co-host. You'll love it.

Are you able to love like that MikeMcK?

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007

[quotr]It's not what you say, but how you say it. "but is it really loving to turn a blind eye at their sin and their heresy?" Hmmm, to me that seems a bit condescending and accusatory.[/quote]

So how else should I say it? How else should I ask if it's loving to turn a blind eye to sin and heresy?

[quote]Beware. Not insult, accuse, name call, nor condescend to.[/quote]

So, did Jesus call them wolves or not?

[quote]You're opinion and my opinion.[/quote]

And, based on the way you've treated me here, your opinion is pretty much worthless to me.

[quote]MikeMcK November 14th, 2007
You're still an ass. [/quote]

Eric admitted that he is an ass. I just agreed with him.

Could you please show me the posts you made to accuse Erik of calling me names and making false accusations toward me? I seem to have overlooked them.

I'm sure you've done this. I mean, surely you're just as outraged when Eric does it as you are when you claim I've done it, right?

Or are you a hypocrite, willing to let him get away with it because he's one of you?

[quote]Persecution complex? [/quote]

Observation.

[quote]Even though you might not believe it, I asked a sincere question of you. Your reply was less than loving.[/quote]

You did not ask a sincere question. You tried to twist my words to make it appear that I said something I did not say.

[quote]I said "It sounded like…." You chose to feel I was twisting your words. I just wanted clarification.[/quote]

And it didn't sound anything like.

[quote]Galations 5:13-15 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.[/quote]

You do know that this is referring to infighting within the church and not to addressing false teachers, right?

[quote]"BEWARE" not go out and name call and point fingers.[/quote]

So, did Jesus call them wolves or not?

[quote]Sounds like your saying Tony Campolo has not placed his trust in Christ.[/quote]

According to 2 John 1, he hasn't.

[quote]Can you at least acknowledge that many people here are your brothers and sisters in Christ[/quote]

Sure. I acknowledge that many of them are. It's just that there are three or four people who's idea of "showing Christ's love" is name calling, false accusations and harrassing eamils.

Erik November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK,

Will you continue to rub my sin in my face and punish me for it, or will you accept my repentance and forgive me? You've called me to repentance, and I have. Now that I have, will you slam the door of fellowship with you in my face over and over.

Believe it or not, I'm doing the best I can to humbly ask forgiveness while all you do is repeat my sins over and over. Those are the very things I'm repenting of. Please, show some mercy.

Erik November 15th, 2007

You ignoring me is hurting me MikeMcK. But it's my choice to continue to be humble before you, admit my wrongdoing, ask forgiveness despite my feelings, and invite you to co-host my show.

If you never will forgive, I state in all honesty before God that I choose to love you anyway.

But I have to ask you, please stop hurting me. Is it more important for you to win an argument than for you to show mercy to me?

Daniel November 15th, 2007

"Insomuch as it depends on YOU, be at peace with all men…" I think you've done all you can do Erik, now the ball is in Mike's court…

George November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK

Whatever. You will believe what you want to believe.

I respect your right to do so and I pray God's blessings on you and that you will experience the love of Christ and the fellowship of the church when you worship.

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007

…since you guys are certainly not going to show it to me here.

Erik November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK,

The fact that you are still able to post on this site is a great grace and a statement of my love for you.

The offer of my show as a platform for your comments takes it further. Come on and forgive me and co-host [ping] next week. Please.

George November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK,

I have tried but you refuse to accept it. I suspect you are a Key Life plant sent here to stir things up.

(by the way, have you noticed that everything that happens to you here is someone else's fault).

Honestly I think you LOVE creating all this hoopla and discord. Why else would you be the way you are and post the things you say.

Mark November 15th, 2007

I see MikeMcK as the 50 foot Kent Brockman…

Charles November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007 "…since you guys are certainly not going to show it to me here."

I know you think Eric is trying to belittle you but I think he is sincere. It makes me flinch to read, but I am amazed at it. I don't walk that close to God. Eric is walking-talking sound doctrine, which is the only kind there is.

greg from canada November 15th, 2007

[quote] I see MikeMcK as the 50 foot Kent Brockman… [quote]

Isnt it great we can pull a simpsons reference for anything. All day long I have been singing the jingle… and it works… who says advertising jingles dont work

Erik November 15th, 2007

In a format like this, I can only type the words, "I'm 100% sincere." You have to simply believe the words. That's why I'd love to talk with MikeMcK live next Tuesday on [ping].

I'd even call him at home if I didn't think he would find that to be an offense. He's already told me not to email him.

MikeMcK,

Tell me what I need to do to prove my sincerity so you will forgive me.

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007

[quote]by the way, have you noticed that everything that happens to you here is someone else's fault[/quote]

LIke I said, isn't it interesting that I get along so well with folks on the three other boards I post on, but when I come here, there are three people determined to give me a hard time and show me how hateful and petty they can be.

I don't say that everything is other people's fault. But I do say that such a large number of people get along with me so well that when there are three people who are determined to call me names and make false accusations toward me, the question then becomes, why are these three people determined to act in such an Unchristlike manner, while none of the others are.

I think it's interesting that on message boards where reputation points are given, I have an inordinately high rep level and I'm consistently getting comments like "thank you for posting that" or "that was an encouragement to me" or "thank you for explaining that" and "good for you to standing up for sound doctrine".

Then, I come here and you guys call me names, make false accusations and send me harrassing emails.

I also notice that you haven't said one word to Eric about his behavior. Why is it wrong when I allegedly call somebody a name, but it's not wrong when someone else is demonstrated to have called me names?

I've got to be honest with you, if you guys are an example of what Steve Brown teaches, then he's worse than I thought and I'm glad I stopped listening to him when I did.

If I weren't a Christian, and you people were my first exposure to Christianity, I'd run like Hell.

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007

[quote]In a format like this, I can only type the words, "I'm 100% sincere." You have to simply believe the words. That's why I'd love to talk with MikeMcK live next Tuesday on [ping].

I'd even call him at home if I didn't think he would find that to be an offense. He's already told me not to email him.

MikeMcK,

Tell me what I need to do to prove my sincerity so you will forgive me[/quote]

Eric, I forgave you several days ago and now, I'm just praying that you'll get right with God and put your childish antics behind you.

But because I've forgiven you and because I'm praying for you doesn't mean that I trust you and it doesn't mean that you're somebody I want to talk to or somebody I want to encourage.

You go right on ahead and say whatever you want about me, but my interaction with you from here on out is going to be praying for you, nothing more.

I've got to be honest with you, if I were Steve Brown and you were representing me this way, you'd be back flipping burgers in a heartbeat.

MikeMcK November 15th, 2007

[quote]I see MikeMcK as the 50 foot Kent Brockman…[/quote]

Ah, another example of the "love of Christ" you guys keep on telling me about, right?

greg from canada November 15th, 2007

I know cartoons arent meant to be realistic at all, but if the giant Kent eats the real Kent, how does Kent appear at the end of the segment??

Christov November 15th, 2007

Kent's the news guy, right? Anyway, we only heard Kent screaming, we don't actually know that Kent was rent.

I think those colossal ad-mascots are hollow, so what goes in one end might be expected to quickly emerge from the other. You know, gravity makes them like geese in that regard. I love science.

greg from canada November 15th, 2007

I did hear crunching, but you are probably right

Mark November 15th, 2007

Hey MikeMcK - lighten up. I was just trying to have fun with the situation. I you are offended by that, then I guess you will be offended by just about anything.

If it makes you feel any better, I can see Erik as the 50 foot Devil from Red Devil Realty.

Mark November 15th, 2007

I am done posting here in response to anything from MikeMcK. Best of luck to you man. I wish you well.

Erik November 15th, 2007

MikeMcK wrote…

Eric, I forgave you several days ago and now, I'm just praying that you'll get right with God and put your childish antics behind you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I can't tell you how good that feels. And thank you for letting me know. It really drove me nuts thinking that there was a brother who was pissed at me.

This is so great! Now we can hang out. Would you like to co-host the show on Tuesday? You can come on and talk about sound doctrine and all. I promise it will be a good environment. Have you ever been on a podcast before? It's a lot of fun.

MikeMcK November 16th, 2007

Thanks, Mark. Be sure to take your friends with you.