Comments on: Shane Claiborne - On Fire for Jesus

By: Scott C

Scott C — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:59:24 +0000

I've never visited this website before, so I don't have any history on which to base my opinion of whether it's just a site for Republican Christians and Democrat Christians to bash each or not. The Book of James in the oft mentioned above Bible has some things to say though that apply to any discussion of whether The Simple Way is doing God's work or not.
- To those who would look at a homeless man and say "Bum! Get a job so I don't have to pay for your sandwich", God said through James, "What have you DONE to help that man?". Do you even know him or his situation? Judge not lest Ye be judged.
- Since we are told to show our faith through our actions, whose actions are more godly? Shane and The Simple Way for caring and providing regardless of the reason for the need, or the stereotypical American Christian who feels self-righteous about writing a check on Sunday morning but has no idea if the money is doing any more than buying more elaborate sound systems for their mega-church?

When Shane Claiborne and George Bush have to stand before God in judgement, assuming Bush makes it all, I'll throw my lot in with those "un-American" Christians who are helping people. I think I know which one God's going to have more kudos for.

By: Uisdean

Uisdean — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:25:07 +0000

Wow! If your politics are not the same as mine then you can't be my Christian sibling!

This is my first time in the ETC website since the change in format. I guess controversy is the bottom line.

I think I may just listen to the shows. Y'all might kick my teeth in if I don't agree w' ya.

By: greg from canada

greg from canada — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:35:15 +0000

Its been a while since we have heard from Shane. You should have him on the show again to see how things are progressing since the fire. I know I am curious and I'm sure others are as well

By: MikeMcK

MikeMcK — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:07:04 +0000

I agree. That's why I'm ignoring him.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:43:07 +0000

The more you feed a troll; the more likely it is that the troll will return again and again looking to be fed.

By: Erik

Erik — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:25:36 +0000

No way man. I'm a way better Christian than George. In fact, I'm gonna start praying for George and you MikeMcK. How bout that? Now I'm praying for the guy who's praying for the guy, and I'm praying for the guy too.

Beat that George.

Plus I've forgiven you when you won't forgive me MikeMcK. That means I might just be more serious about being biblical than you are.

Total sanctification here I come!

Mathew 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

By: MikeMcK

MikeMcK — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:13:37 +0000

Thank you, George. May you be an example to Eric and Linda Marie.

By: George

George — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:34:51 +0000

Hey MikeMcK

Love ya bro! I'm praying for you!

By: MikeMcK

MikeMcK — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:29:50 +0000

I believe that, in principle, those are good things. The problem is that the way they're going about it is doing more harm than good.

It's a good thing to give a bum a sandwich and a cup of coffee on a cold night, but the bottom line is that the next day, he's still going to be a bum who needs a sandwich and a cup of coffee. And the next day…and the next day…and the next day…

If you're "helping" the poor without helping them get out of poverty, then you're not helping them. All you're doing is subsidizing their poverty.

By: greg from canada

greg from canada — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:25:32 +0000

Quote "They may do things for their community in your eyes, but are they good things? No. "

I dont know, I think afterschool programs for kids are a good thing. I think art programs for kids are a good thing. I think that keeping kids off the street from drugs and gangs are a good thing. I think that helping the homeless is a good thing. Do you disagree with that?

By: Erik

Erik — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:20:03 +0000

MikeMcK wrote…

It is a liberal who doesn't follow the Bible, which is redundant.

Forgiveness is Biblical. So since you won't forgive me, are you a liberal MikeMcK?

Mathew 6:14-15

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

By: MikeMcK

MikeMcK — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:17:53 +0000

They may do things for their community in your eyes, but are they good things? No.

Is the good that they do enough to overcome the harm they do in their misguided attempts (allegedly) to do good? No.

By: MikeMcK

MikeMcK — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:16:21 +0000

[quote]can you please define what the hell an "unbiblical liberal" is, when there was no "conservative" or "liberal" in jesus' time? [/quote]

It is a liberal who doesn't follow the Bible, which is redundant.

[quote]oh, and when jesus fed the 5000, would you say he was a liberal? i mean, he could have just told them to get off their lazy asses and get a job… and why didn't he tell them about hell? after he fed them, he could have given a nice hellfire and brimstone sermon to a crowd that big…[/quote]

First of all, Jesus preached the Gospel plenty of times so, even if He hadn't preached the Gospel that one, particular time (which I don't believe is true), I think He can be forgiven.

All throughout the Bible, we see evidence of Jesus' conservatism.

Was this miracle done for the purpose of confirming His divinity and ministry? Or was it done for the purpose of supporting those who won't support themselves?

By: Erik

Erik — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:15:31 +0000

I bet Shane would have forgiveness in his heart for me.

MikeMcK, will you please forgive me?

Mathew 6:14-15

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

By: greg from canada

greg from canada — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:08:48 +0000

Atleast Shane and Co. are doing something for their community, which is more than I can say that a lot of "biblical" churches do…